Pastor: When Something Doesn’t Sound Right

This has happened to me again and again. I’m sitting in some huge meeting with hundreds of the Lord’s people representing churches across our state or country. A large number of preachers are in the audience. The speaker is sounding forth on some subject of importance to us all.

Suddenly, the speaker comes out with a statement that gets a hearty “amen,” something that sounds profound and undergirds the point he is making. He goes on in the message and everyone in the room but one person stays with him. Me, I’m stuck at that statement. Where did he get that, I wonder. Is it true? How can we know?

If “Facebook,” that wonderful and exasperating social networking machine, has taught us anything, it’s to distrust percentages and question quotations.

Yesterday, I noticed a Facebook friend’s profile contained a quote from President Kennedy. I happen to know the quote and while I cannot prove JFK never uttered those words–how could we prove that about anyone saying anything–I know how the line got attached to the Kennedys. It’s a quotation from a George Bernard Shaw play.

“Some see things as they are and ask ‘Why?’ I see things that never were and ask ‘Why not?'”

In 1968, at the funeral of his brother Robert F. Kennedy, Senator Ted Kennedy spoke that line as applying to him. It’s a terrific depiction of vision. I expect for most of us, it was our first time to hear the quote. As I recall, the source was not given in the oration, which may have led some to believe Senator Kennedy made it up.

One thing we know, however, is President John F. Kennedy is not its source. Nor is any Kennedy. And yet, keep your eye out for that quotation. Half the time, its source will be listed as one of the Kennedys.

Accuracy is important for all of us, but particularly those of us called to preach the Truth to get people to Heaven.

Unfortunately, because we speak so often–many pastors deliver three or more sermons per week, fifty weeks of the year–our sermon machines devour a lot of fodder. It figures that sometimes we are going to get our stories wrong.

That’s why a statement from a preacher one day last week hit me so hard and drove me to do a little research.

“Billy Graham has said that 70 percent of the members of our churches are unsaved.”

A preacher friend on Facebook said that. I contacted him to ask for his source.

“It’s on his website,” the pastor said. “It’s common knowledge.”

A few minutes later, I replied, “Friend, I’ve gone to his website and there’s a ton of great stuff there. But if you can locate that quote, you’re a far better man than I am.”

He promised to look into it.

In the meantime, I began searching the internet for what Billy Graham “was said to have said” on the subject of how many church members are lost.

I had a hard time deciding on the exact words to type into the blank, and ended up having to comb through massive lists of irrelevant material. Eventually, I came up with two pertinent quotations.

A preacher in Los Angeles said, “Billy Graham says 85 percent of the members of our churches are lost.” And a consultant with our Southern Baptist North American Mission Board said the number was 50 percent.

Unable to find more, I put out the call to my Facebook network for “research geniuses” among us to help me find what Billy Graham had actually said on that subject.

An hour later, Damon Olson, a pastor from Sand Mountain, Alabama, came back with this response which he received from the Graham organization:

“We appreciate your inquiry concerning a quote attributed to Mr. Graham. Unfortunately, though we hear this question from time to time, we do not have any further information confirming that Mr. Graham ever claimed that a high percentage of church members (as much as 85%) are not saved.”

“We would suppose that some denominations which stress the need for the new birth would have a much higher percentage of born again believers. A poll by the Barna Research Group several years ago may shed some light on this subject. They indicate that ‘Protestant church attenders are two and a half times more likely than are Catholic attenders to be born-again Christians (60% to 23% respectively.'”

So, apparently, Billy Graham never even mentioned it.

Snopes alive! What are we preachers thinking! Why would we utter such harsh statements when we do not know what we are talking about!

(On Facebook, we got into a lengthy discussion concerning preachers being cautious in pronouncing “how many church members are lost.” The fact is, anyone with the answer to that question should be challenged. Only God knows the human heart and only He knows how many are saved or lost. What complicates the issue is that according to I Corinthians chapters 1 and 2, the carnal believer and the “natural man” (unbeliever) may look and act alike. We would suppose that preachers who prefer simple answers to complex issues have simply decided that those who are living carnal lives have never been saved. Such a conviction, however, even if strongly held and eloquently preached, does not line up with Scripture.)

No wonder some of the more inquiring minds in the congregation turn us off. We are feeding them hearsay and innuendo and gossip, and expecting them to treat it as God’s Truth.

As the Lord said to the sham preachers of Jeremiah’s day in a not-too-dissimilar context, “What does straw (man’s ponderings) have in common with grain (God’s Word)?” (Jer. 23:28)

Three or four years ago, I was attending a large denominational event in our state and was struck by something the speaker said in quoting Winston Churchill. He should have known, but I’d wager that he didn’t, that in his vast audience were people who knew as much about Churchill as he did. He completely misrepresented this man.

On the theme of faithfulness to our duty for which we will all give account to the Lord, the preacher told how during the dark days of World War II, Britain’s coal miners threatened to go out on strike for higher wages. If that were to happen, it could cripple the war effort, weaken the economy, and leave millions of Britons in the cold. Churchill had to put a stop to the strike.

The speaker told how Winston Churchill met with the mine owners and a representative group of miners and delivered an impassioned speech that drove them out of the meeting hall and back into the pits to dig the coal.

According to my notes, the speaker quoted Churchill thusly: “One of these days, we will all stand before the Lord Jesus Christ at the final judgment. He will turn to the fighter pilots and ask, ‘What did you do?’ and they will say, ‘We gave our all in the defense of liberty.’ He will say to the soldiers, ‘What did you do?’ and they will answer, ‘We faced the enemy and risked everything for our nation.'”

The speaker went on like that for a bit, then, quoting Churchill, he said, “Then the coal miners will come before the King of Kings, and He will ask, ‘What did you do?’ and they will say, ‘We cut the coal.'”

The minister went on from there but I was stuck. Something about that did not sound right. I have a shelf of Churchill books in my study and while I had heard that story, I was fairly certain he had never spoken of anyone standing before Jesus Christ at judgment.

The next day, on returning home, I went straight to the large volume of Churchill’s wartime speeches. I found the one in question.

The date was October 31, 1942. Churchill was addressing a conference of coal-mine operators and miners in Westminster’s Central Hall. A brief speech, it can be read in five minutes. As Churchillian rhetoric goes, it wasn’t all that much. No brilliant oratorical flourishes, nothing really memorable until the final paragraph.

“We shall not fail, and then some day, when children ask, ‘What did you do to win this inheritance for us and to make our name so respected among men?’ one will say, ‘I was a fighter pilot,’ another will say, ‘I was in the Submarine Service,’ another: ‘I marched with the Eighth Army; a fourth will say, ‘None of us could have lived without the convoys and the Merchant Seaman; and you in your turn will say, with equal pride and with equal right: ‘We cut the coal.'”

At least the preacher got the last line right.

Now, I think I know what happened here. After all, I may have done something similar myself over the years. Some preacher in years past read that and liked it, but decided it needed something. It needs juicing up a tad.

I can recall somewhere sometime hearing someone quote Churchill’s final line as “We were down in the pits with our faces to the wall, cutting the coal!” That flows a little better, although how in the world one decides to improve on Churchill’s words is beyond me.

I come from a long line of coal miners. One of my brothers was a miner, my dad and all his brothers were miners, and their father and uncles before them labored in those dark, unsafe pits. I suppose that accounts for why I remembered the story in the first place. This is holy ground, so to speak, for me.

It would probably be a good thing for a minister to believe that someone in his congregation will know more about any subject than he does, if that would drive him to get his facts right and his story straight.

But even if they don’t–even if he is preaching to a congregation of fifty souls in the backwoods of Louisiana’s swamps or Alabama’s hills, people who may not have read a newspaper all week or a book all year–even so, he still ought to be sure of his quotes and his stories and his numbers.

The pastor is dealing with two precious commodities when he stands in the pulpit: the precious Word of God and the fine China of people’s lives.

Handle with care, faithful servant of God.

Because, Churchill aside, you and I really will stand before the King of Kings at judgment and give account.

11 thoughts on “Pastor: When Something Doesn’t Sound Right

  1. Ermie and I are really impressed with your ability to understand and define problems. What you have written here is important. Too many Christians accept questionable or false statements that tickle their ears and add to their prejudices. Christians need to get back to seeking the truth.

    Thanks for another great blog.


  2. This is so true, as I have experienced it several times. Once I heard our former pastor in a sermon say, “God does not love you!” I looked around to see if I saw any more stunned faces amid the “Amens”, but did not. When I told him of what he had said, he protested that he DID NOT say that. I implored him to revist the tape of the sermon. Need I say, he apoligized. With the other mis-spoken words of visiting ministers, I’ve had to ask the deacons in my church. It’s very easy to get caught up in the sermon, but you must know the Bible in order to refute these mis-statements.

  3. It is true we must listen carefully with a discerning spirit not to be mislead, even by the best of intentions. You also proved how easy it is to stumble when trying to press home a point.

    I got hung up with your comment concerning backwoods Louisiana and Alabama hill folk. You really proved your point about embellishing!

  4. Getting ready for my sermon on Sunday I recalled this quote (the one you mentioned as a bit stretched) . . . tried to findn it online and was led to your discussion here. Glad I found it for two reasons! I can now quote Churchill accurately – and I share your passion for this problem.

  5. Thanks for the reminder. I learned years ago to vet my illustrations and quotations after be embarrassed upon finding I had made some false statements. This type of thing is more voluminous today with the internet and a myriad of purposely fake news purveyors feeding people stories they like to hear whether or not they are true.
    Back in 1929 Robert Leavitt wrote a book in which he said: “People don’t ask for facts when making up their minds. They would rather have one good, soul-satisfying emotion than a dozen facts.” Unfortunately this is too often true today. Even more unfortunate, it fits many of us Christians. Truth does mater. Oh btw, I did vet that quote.

  6. I have shot myself in the foot a couple of times, misquoting or misrepresenting. It’s always painful – though usually only when called on it! We don’t normally realize we’re playing “chinese whispers” until we look back or our wives question us in the car. As Abe Lincoln told JFK, “Always check Snopes while writing your sermons!”

  7. One I have heard and read so many times is the story of Jonathan Edwards and his amazing descendants, compared to some poor old sinner/atheist named “Jukes.” People read that with almost a delighted cackle, as they tell about all the sinners and prostitutes that issued from Jukes’ line — thieves, beggars, convicted felons, drunkards — and end up reminding us how much money they cost the government.

    Then we hear the amazing story of Edwards’ descendants: lawyers (almost lost me there), politicians (ditto), scholars, ministers, college presidents, and on and on. They always end the story with the amazing culmination that one of them was even a Vice President of the United States, gently overlooking the fact that he is also the one that shot Alexander Hamilton in the brisket.

    But it’s a fun story, and wows the congregation. So it must be true.

    • A seminary president told that story from our pulpit a year ago. — And according to David McCullough’s recent book The Pioneers, former V-P Aaron Burr was a scoundrel of the first order.

  8. Thank for this, Bro. Joe. An example of this which came to my mind almost immediately is that old “statistic” that 50% of all marriages end in divorce.

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