{"id":687,"date":"2007-08-25T20:47:26","date_gmt":"2007-08-25T20:47:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/joemckeever.com\/wp\/?p=687"},"modified":"2007-08-25T20:47:26","modified_gmt":"2007-08-25T20:47:26","slug":"conversation-with-the-director-of-missions-break-thy-bread","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/joemckeever.com\/wp\/conversation-with-the-director-of-missions-break-thy-bread\/","title":{"rendered":"CONVERSATION WITH THE DIRECTOR OF MISSIONS: Break Thy Bread"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m thinking of closing down our men&#8217;s ministry.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;And you&#8217;re telling me because&#8212;what? you want me to talk you out of it?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Or tell me how to salvage it without shutting it down.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s the problem?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The usual. It&#8217;s a meet-and-eat affair, and very little else.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Start at the beginning,&#8221; I said. &#8220;What do they do?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We have this group of men who meet at the church for breakfast the first Sunday of each month. They&#8217;ll have about 30 present. They eat breakfast and sit around drinking their coffee and visiting with each other. And that&#8217;s all.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s all?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;They might have someone bring a devotional once in a while. Or a visiting missionary to speak. But usually, it&#8217;s just them.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>He was quiet a moment, then said, &#8220;I&#8217;m not saying they&#8217;re doing anything wrong. They&#8217;re just not doing anything.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Do you attend?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Not in several months. But I&#8217;ve gone often enough to know what they do.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Let me ask you a question, pastor.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n&#8220;Shoot.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Why do you think they attend? If nothing is going on and they&#8217;re not doing anything, doesn&#8217;t it figure that they&#8217;re not getting anything out of it? Everything we read about men&#8217;s ministry says guys do not like pointless meetings. They prefer action.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re asking me why they come if they&#8217;re not getting anything out of it?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Seems like a logical question. They must be doing something right if you have that many men coming without any encouragement from the pastor.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I really don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re getting out of it, to tell the truth. Beats me.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I have another question. Why do you want to shut it down?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>He raised his voice and said, &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re asking that! This is what you tell us to do&#8211;you have pointless meetings going on in the church and you&#8217;re to either give them some direction or shut them down.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I said, &#8220;You&#8217;ve not heard that from me.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Well, I heard it from somebody. We&#8217;re supposed to streamline the ministries, to make sure that everything we do follows our purpose statement.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The first part&#8211;streamlining your ministries&#8211;I&#8217;m not too sure about. But I&#8217;ll buy the part about following your purpose statement. So, what is your purpose statement?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Something about loving God, loving one another, and loving the world with the Gospel. I don&#8217;t have the exact words.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Well, it looks to me like this is within the purpose of your church.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re kidding? Sitting around eating and shooting the bull is conforming to our purpose?  You might not have heard me. Our purpose statement is definitely not &#8216;love God, love one another and shoot the bull.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Very funny. But you&#8217;re missing something here, pastor.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Then tell me. So far, this conversation is like talking with my mother-in-law.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Thanks for the compliment. I know June. She&#8217;s a neat lady. Smart, too.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll trade you her for your wife&#8217;s mother and I&#8217;ve not even met her.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Stay on the subject here. I&#8217;m trying to point something out. The second part of your purpose statement is about loving one another, right? And that has to do with fellowship.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Your point being?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;That there is a lot to be said for a group of men coming together and sitting around the table and enjoying each other&#8217;s presence over a meal. In fact, I&#8217;ll go so far as to say there does not have to be anything spiritual about it. It does them good just to spend that time together.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Are you putting me on? Some of these men get there at 5:30 in the morning and spend two hours cooking breakfast. They eat at 7:30 and sit around talking for a solid hour, then they clean it up and go back home to bring their families to church. It is the most pointless thing our church does. And you&#8217;re saying it&#8217;s a good thing?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m saying it is probably a very good thing. I&#8217;ve not been there, so I&#8217;m not the authority, but they must have a good reason for continuing it, especially for all the work it takes. I assume they cover the expenses?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;They do. Three dollars each. The boys eat free.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;They bring their sons?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Oh yeah. They&#8217;ll have a dozen or so there each time. The boys sit at a table by themselves. The men are at the other end of the room.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Pastor, read your Bible lately?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not even going to honor that with an answer. What kind of question is that?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;What do you think about all those places in the Bible where the early believers gathered for the breaking of bread? Let me show you something in Acts 2.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I reached behind me and pulled my Bible across the desk and opened it.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Verse 42. &#8216;They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles&#8217; teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>He started to say something. I held up my hand. &#8220;Hold on. Verse 46.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Pastor,&#8221; I said, &#8220;what do you have against God&#8217;s people meeting together to share a meal?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Whoa,&#8221; he said. &#8220;That&#8217;s not what those early disciples were doing!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll bite,&#8221; I said. &#8220;What were they doing?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Religious stuff,&#8221; he protested. &#8220;Reading their Bible, talking about the Lord, worshiping. Ministry. Missions. You know.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I do not know,&#8221; I said. &#8220;I will agree we can assume they did a lot of that, but don&#8217;t you think they sat around sometimes just talking about their families and their jobs and maybe the ball game Friday night?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;No one knows. But okay, say they did. What is your point?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;That it&#8217;s good for God&#8217;s people to sit down and enjoy a good meal together and just visit with one another. Our spirits need that.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>He was quiet, evidently thinking that over, so I said, &#8220;Where do most of your men work?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;At the shipyards. And the chemical plant up the river.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I said, &#8220;Is it safe to say they work around a lot of non-Christian men?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Hah! You&#8217;ve got that right! I used to work there myself&#8211;at the shipyards&#8211;while I was in seminary, and that&#8217;s a rough bunch. The actual Christians are definitely in a minority.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I said, &#8220;Is it possible that that breakfast at the church is the one time in the entire month some of those men sit down and have a meal with a group of Christian men?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;More than possible, I&#8217;d say. A probability.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;And if they&#8217;re doing it with no encouragement from you and no promotion from the staff, doesn&#8217;t it figure that it&#8217;s doing them some good and meeting some needs?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;That would seem to be a logical conclusion.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;So, you being a good and godly pastor and all,&#8221; I said generously, &#8220;what do you think you ought to be doing for these guys?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s easy. I ought to be in there with them. And I need to quit trying to turn it into a work session.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I nodded, and thought to myself that this activism, this anxiety to make every meeting in the church &#8220;productive,&#8221; is one of our problems. We&#8217;ve forgotten how to enjoy one another.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Pastor,&#8221; I said, &#8220;you doing anything right now?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Not for an hour. I have someone coming at one.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s go get lunch. I&#8217;m buying.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Might as well give him a demonstration of the power of relaxed fellowship over a good meal.<\/p>\n<p>When David Brown was pastor of Lakeview Baptist Church in New Orleans, his wife Melinda was a part-time chef for an upscale restaurant, filling in for the regular chef three nights a week. One day while she and David were brainstorming on ways to pump up the life of the congregation, they came up with a wonderful idea: Melinda would cook a meal for the Wednesday night church service, using her culinary skills.<\/p>\n<p>When David first mentioned it to me, he said I ought to come sometime. That was a Wednesday, so I said, &#8220;I couldn&#8217;t do it before tonight.&#8221;  That night, some fifty people&#8211;almost as many as met for worship on Sunday&#8211;gathered for a wonderful salad-and-lasagna dinner in their fellowship hall. The meal was as good as any I&#8217;ve ever had. David did an excellent Bible study and we had a short visit afterwards.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I know they&#8217;re just coming for the meal,&#8221; he laughed.  I said, &#8220;Well, they are and they aren&#8217;t.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I went on. &#8220;They&#8217;re coming for dinner, granted. After all, they&#8217;ve been working all day and they need to eat. And now they know the meal is going to be something to write home about. But that&#8217;s not all.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;This is their church. They love one another. They look forward to just getting together and sitting around the table with people they like and talking about whatever.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>He still did not say anything, so I said, &#8220;My young pastor friend, there is nothing wrong and everything right with that. In fact, even if you did not do a Bible study, it would be worth all the effort just for the uplift the experience of being together and eating a meal is providing for your people.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>That was a new thought to him, I surmised.<\/p>\n<p>When, I wonder, did the Lord&#8217;s shepherds come to the ridiculous conclusion that only spiritual food is holy? That only time spent in prayer and Bible study really counts at church? That an hour spent around a table visiting with Christian friends is time poorly spent? That fellowship is optional? That to love one another means something other than a delight in spending time together?<\/p>\n<p>When I was a kid and our family attended the church of my grandparents, we used to hear it said that having meals at church was unscriptural. &#8220;The Bible says you&#8217;re to take your meals at home,&#8221; someone would say, giving an entirely unbiblical twist to Paul&#8217;s word in I Corinthians 11:22. (&#8220;Do you not have houses in which to eat and drink?&#8221;)<\/p>\n<p>These days, I&#8217;m happy to say, that wonderful little church in rural Alabama (where my aged parents still worship) has long since gotten over that bad theology. Many a time the members will bring meals to the church and share together. It&#8217;s not by accident that this church is flourishing in a section of the country where some congregations are closing their doors. They take seriously an identifying mark named by no less than the Lord Jesus Himself&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, that you love one another.&#8221; (John 13:35)<\/p>\n<!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m thinking of closing down our men&#8217;s ministry.&#8221; &#8220;And you&#8217;re telling me because&#8212;what? you want me to talk you out of it?&#8221; &#8220;Or tell me how to salvage it without shutting it down.&#8221; &#8220;What&#8217;s the problem?&#8221; &#8220;The usual. 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